✌️ Nail Your Brand Photography with Belle V.

Hello Fearless Friends!

I am SO excited for this episode and yep, the return of a guest interview!

Today’s episode is an absolute must-listen because we’re diving into the magic of brand photography with the incredible Belle V—a powerhouse photographer based in Perth who specialises in capturing businesswomen in their element. If you’ve ever felt awkward in front of the camera or struggled to make your brand photos feel like you, this episode is going to change the game.

Here’s what you’ll learn in today’s episode:
- Why brand photography and design go hand in hand—and how to make them work for you.
- How to choose the right photographer for your business (hint: it’s not just about price!).
- The power of stepping into your future self during a brand photoshoot.
- How energy & confidence play a huge role in how you show up in your photos.
- The biggest mistakes business owners make when it comes to brand photography—and how to avoid them.

Belle doesn’t just take pictures—she helps women step into their future selves and own their space with confidence. We talk about her journey, her unique approach to photography, and how the right brand images can completely shift the way you show up online.

It's definitely time to book those brand photos in! 

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Transcript

Morgan Macdonald:
Hi guys. Thank you so much for joining me today. I am super pumped to bring this episode to your little ears. Today I had the absolute amazing opportunity of interviewing a friend and fellow creative, Bel V, who is a brand photographer and Belles in Perth in wa. So I just, I was so excited to have her. I feel like design and brand photography work hand in hand together, especially on social media and websites, particularly with amazing entrepreneurs and business owners who are putting themselves in the spotlight. So Bel shares with us her journey, how she works today, who she'd like to work with today, but also gives us a really good insight into who she is, which I think is such an important thing when it comes to working with a brand photographer. So sit back, I hope you enjoy it and please go and check out Belle.

Morgan Macdonald:
Belle is phenomenal. So that's it. Enjoy. Hello and welcome to the Fearless Designer podcast. I'm your host, Morgan McDonald, aka the fearless designer, and I'm here to help you embrace your fears, level up your visual brand and take your business to fearless new heights. For two decades, I've worked with business owners just like you, designing brands that are bold, consistent and authentic. I've lived a profesh corporate life as a graphic designer and I've also spent the last 13 years running my own brand and graphic design business. So whether you're running a six or seven figure business, craving a brand refresh, or just ready to add a little more wow to your visuals, I got you.

Morgan Macdonald:
Each week we'll dive into fearless brand strategies, design tips that you actually can use, live brand audits, and interviews with fellow business owners who have dared to do things differently. So if you're ready to stop playing small, take control of your brand and lead with confidence, you're in the right place. Let's go. Hi, Bel. Welcome to the Fearless Designer podcast. It is so good to see your face.

Belle V:
Hey Morgan, thank you so much for having me.

Morgan Macdonald:
I would love if you could tell all of the listeners a little bit about yourself and go as far into it as you would like. But I just going to fill everyone in that you are an amazing brand photographer and yeah, go tell us all about yourself.

Belle V:
Well, I am just so stoked to talk about this because myself is my favorite topic, really. I'm a brand photographer and I absolutely love capturing women in business. Women who have a purpose, who are here to make a big impact in the world, who really understand why they're doing what they're doing and they're so lit up by their mission on planet Earth. And I honestly believe everyone has this light inside of them. As we come out into this world where these perfect little human beings, right, we have this beautiful, glowing, amazing light and we don't have any negative thoughts. We think the world is amazing, we love our care providers. It's just like, go, go, go. And then as we get older, you know, it might be our parents or it might be our teachers, Someone says something a little bit negative to us or our friends, don't invite us to a birthday party.

Belle V:
And slowly our light becomes smaller and smaller and smaller and we start to think these thoughts of like, I'm too loud or I'm too much or I'm not enough or I'm not worthy. And these are things that I've personally struggled with. So, you know, I know exactly what it's like. And, and I think this light that gets so dimmed by the time we're in our adulthood, we've forgotten what it's like to play, to be curious, to be creative, to remember what it was like to dream as a child and go, when I'm older, I want to be a famous actress or in whatever amazing thing that you wanted to be when you were little. And so I feel like my personal goal on planet Earth is to see the light that is inside of people that maybe they've forgotten what it was like to be who they are and bring that light out. And so my brand photo shoots are all about having fun, connecting to that inner child, but also connecting to your big vision. So something that I'm really, really passionate about is that future self and how a brand photo shoot. Like a lot of times people go, oh, it's just a headshot or it's just something I need to do for social media or, you know, my graphic designer wants new headshots like insert book Morgan.

Belle V:
She's amazing, but it's so much more than that. And I think if we can really tie. I know, I knew you'd love that one. I think if we can tie in that future self, but bring her into our photo shoot and really go, who am I in 6 to 12 months time? How am I showing up? What am I wearing? What are the people that I want to magnetize into my world? Who the fuck am I? How much money is in my bank? If we can call that future self into a photo shoot, then the energetics and the frequency of that person, you might not have the confidence yet. You might not have the courage to get on social media and do a live or to get on a podcast and speak about your business. But if we can kind of channel that person in that person that feels a little bit bold, that feels like they've got more confidence and, you know, you right now, then that is what my goal and my intention for every photo shoot. Obviously we want it to be fun and to be amazing and to feel like you've had a really good time, but it's also to make sure that you're anchoring into that future self.

Morgan Macdonald:
That's amazing. So how did you pick up a camera? Have you always been a photographer? Have you always been interested in capturing women?

Belle V:
I have. So my dad was a hobbyist photographer and we always had photos. Like we always had a camera lying around and he was always taking photos. So it always been in my space and I was always that friend. Even in primary school, I would have that disposable camera and I'd be taking photos of all my friends. And when I. This is something you might not know, Morgan, but I used to model in my teenage years. I made my friends, my closest friends, we all did modeling together and it was so much fun.

Belle V:
And so I just used to take photos of my gorgeous, amazing friends. So that was really like the portraits, where women like portraits started. And then when I actually. And I've done lots of things. I've done band photography, I've done a little bit of wedding photography and I really love sort of documentary photography, but something that I read online, I used to have exhibitions, so I'd put on my own exhibitions or be part of group exhibitions. And I wasn't running a business here, I was just doing photography on the side as a hobby. I loved it. And I remember having a solo exhibition and it was huge.

Belle V:
Like it was packed every night. All of my photos got sold. I was on the, like, on the radio. Our local radio station here, our main newspaper did a massive article praising it. It was amazing. And I read in a blog post from a photographer who was like, oh, my God, do not go and see that exhibition. There's like out of focus, out of photo, out of focus photos and it's just whack. And I remember thinking to myself, oh, my God, oh my gosh.

Belle V:
Like this person's a photographer and he's telling people not to go see my exhibition. That must mean I'm a really bad photographer. And so I literally disregarded all of these amazing praises and, you know, like what I read in the newspaper and all of these things, like people were buying my work. But I just took this one person's word. We're actually friends Now, So it's kind of funny that he was telling people not to go see it. And I took it on so much that I didn't pick up a camera for about five years. So I let that voice in my head, which was his, but also mine, right? Because if I didn't believe it to my core, then his words would just roll off my back. Right? Wouldn't mean anything.

Belle V:
But I. He actually said it that I was thinking it. Something that I was really struggling with is my worthiness and this self esteem struggles that I've had. And so I just didn't pick up a camera. And then it wasn't until the birth of my second baby where I was on maternity leave. I had a corporate job, so maternity leave. And my girlfriend sent me a birth photographer page and I just got full body chills and was like, I need to do birth photography. I just knew Morgan, I knew that this is where I needed to be.

Belle V:
And I googled birth photography in Australia and there was literally a handful of people doing it in the whole of Australia. It wasn't a thing, it wasn't a genre, it wasn't like, you go, yes, I'm having a baby. Let's ring the birth photographer. So I started calling myself a birth photographer and I started putting myself into home birth groups and groups, you know, who were more likely to book or have someone at their birth. And that was sort of how I started my business, was I came back after this really long hiatus of not feeling good enough. And I carried that with me for quite a few years of this. You know, I'm not good enough and I'm not worthy. But I just struggled through it and I was like, don't worry, it's.

Belle V:
I'm just going to still take photos. My love of birth photography and being of service was so much greater than my fear of sitting on my butt and not doing it. But it still took a long time. But that's probably another. Is it probably another podcast episode in there.

Morgan Macdonald:
Wow, that's amazing. And I can so relate. It's. I have always wanted to be a designer. I knew at high school that I wanted to be a designer, but it's taken many forms of evolution and having the wind taken out of your sails and then letting it go for a couple of years and then getting back in doing wedding stationery, which I'd like to block out of my mind forever. And then now I'm, you know, back into relaunching my agency and working with amazing, very similar clientele to you. But it's just so fulfilling and rewarding when you have that little bit of creativity that's just always there and you just keep, keep calling on it all the time. It's just very fulfilling when you're an artist or a creative.

Morgan Macdonald:
So I just. One of the most exciting things about you is your energy. Can you. I know this is a little bit weird, but can you talk about how you tap into your client's energy when you're shooting them and how you use that kind of feel to evoke, you know, probably more their comfortable side? Because standing in front of a camera is very daunting for people that haven't done it a lot. How do you use your energy and your experience with energy to make them feel more comfortable?

Belle V:
Oh, I love this question, Morgan. And for those of you listening right now going, oh, my gosh, what is this hippie woo woo thing? Energy is actually scientific. It's actually like, it's a whole thing. And so I honestly believe it's just like, you know, when you meet someone and you just vibe with them, it feels like you've known them forever and you. The conversation flows and it feels really easy and you're just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, right? That's energy. You're vibing with that person. Your, your frequencies match and you just get each other. And on the other side of that, you might go into, you know, a tram or a train and you're just, there's someone standing there and you're like, oh, I just get a weird vibe from them.

Belle V:
Right? It's the same thing. Whether you think it's, you know, your intuition or your gut. Some people will go, oh, my gut. You know, gut instinct, whatever it is. Like, it's just there's people for us and there's people that maybe, you know, we just want to, like, leave them on the train. So what I always want to do with my clients is to make them feel safe, to make them feel seen and to make them feel heard. So I don't just do that on the shoot because no one wants to rock up on the shoot feeling like, like they don't know what they're doing, they don't know how to pose already. They're already feeling a bit nervous about, like you said, having a big came shoved in their face.

Belle V:
So it's all about the process beforehand. So I make sure that I have a zoom consultation or a couple of phone consultations beforehand. My clients have to fill in a questionnaire so I can really get to know who they are, why they're having the photo shoot and what they're going to use the images for and also just to see if there's any sort of things dropping in that I can see might feel a bit sticky for, you know, the flow of the actual photo shoot. And just to manage expectations, you know, I don't want them thinking they can rock up to a 45 minute photo session and have 10 outfits shot, you know, that sort of thing. So it's all about communication, making sure I'm really transparent with how I work and how I show up and I do that across all channels. So if I'm swearing on my social media, which I do, I am going to be a bit of a potty mouth in person because I want that person to know that they're getting the same person. Right. Obviously I'm going to choose my audience.

Belle V:
You know, if it's someone under 18, I'm not going to be sailor mouthing it all, you know, around. But it's all about, yeah, that energy of I come, I match their frequency usually. So if I've got someone who may be a little bit more reserved, a little bit more quiet, I'm not going to come in like a bullet, a gate and be like, rah, rah, rah, because that's going to make them withdraw even more and just be like, holy moly. This is not what I signed up for. So first I've got to meet them where they're at and we usually drop in. So I have a little drop in at the beginning where, you know, I might spray some beautiful calming spray, all of that sort of thing really sets the tone for the photo shoot itself. And I think just knowing how I work and then they see me in person, it's like, you know, usually all my clients, I hug them as soon as we meet. It's like I'm hanging out with an old friend.

Belle V:
And yeah, I think it's just about me meeting them, but also then elevating them a little bit just to get them out of that shell. And I actually, weirdly enough, attract a lot of introverts and I think it's because they want permission for me to help get that side of it, like other sides of them out. I don't know. Morgan, how did you feel when I photographed you?

Morgan Macdonald:
Oh, I felt really good and I felt really safe. But I have done a few photo shoots in my past and I know I don't have a lot of issues with my body or how I stand and so I'm quite confident with how I can approach that. But I really do appreciate having you going, no, no, try this. This angle looks better. You're across kind of the brief. And you know what I'm trying to feel like whether it's a website banner or whether it's my social media, so you know how the frame needs to be cropped. So I feel like that's a really important kind of expertise that you bring. And I know a lot of that because I'm a designer, so I look at that all of the time.

Morgan Macdonald:
But if someone is, you know, not being in the world of design or marketing, having someone to trust that they're going to get the shot, but they're also going to be able to use it so many different ways, I feel is really important. Which leads me on to my next question. What do you think one of the biggest mistakes business owners and entrepreneurs are making when it comes to their brand photos?

Belle V:
Oh, this is juicy. Possibly not knowing the photographer that they're choosing and maybe just going on a recommendation. So if you get maybe five recommendations from someone, go onto that photographer's website, go onto their social media, watch how they show up and see if you like what we're talking about, their energy, their vibe, their Persona. Because that is so, so important that you actually have that really good connection with your photographer. And I think that's why I show up so loud and quirky and I bring that boldness to everything I do because I don't want someone booking me that then goes, oh, my gosh, like, what is going on here? There's a disconnect between maybe social media and then in person. I am how I am throughout all channels. And if you meet me in life, like most people actually say, wow, you're exactly the same. Because, right, that's.

Belle V:
That's just me. I can't be any other way. So I think, yeah, really looking at who your photographer is and even have a call with them. So all the photographers I know who shoot brand, they will actually offer a free zoom chat. So get on the phone with them or get on a zoom chat and just make sure you do have that real connection first and that personality, because it really does matter. And don't just look at price. I think price is just something that in brand photography, it, of course it's a factor, especially if you're startup. But most brand photographers will offer a payment plan or after pay, or they're more than happy to work with you with a budget, or they'll come up with a customized quote just because you do want a Brand photographer, like you said, Morgan, about knowing your angles, understanding how the graphics are going to be used.

Belle V:
So I'll always, for example, during a photo session make sure not only that I've got the headshots, some detail shots, but I'm going to have a hero shot. So it's going to be landscape, there's going to be some negative space in the corner to make sure that the graphics or the words can go over. You want a photographer that understands that vision. I ask all my clients to send me their logo to, if they've got a brand guide to send that to me as well. Because that's the strategy that I can really drop in and anchor into who they are and their vision. When I have that brand strategy and then also what happens, I also make sure that they give me what they're going to wear or the props that they're going to bring. So then I can literally say, you know, like I had someone who showed me her outfits and she didn't see it, but she'd sent me three outfits all of the same color and then three outfits of another, all of the same color. So I'm like, where's the variation? Or we don't have any pants and you want your mood boards, got floor shots or sitting on the couch.

Belle V:
I'm like, we can't do that in a pencil dress, you know, so it's just about, I guess, having someone else that's on your team. Like I always think it's such a co collaboration is having a photographer that really understands who you are, what your business is about and how we can get you to that next level. And like I said, you know, if I just think it's so important to have all of it, really the brand strategy, the graphic designer, the brand photographer, all working together to really bring that vision to life.

Morgan Macdonald:
I totally agree. And I feel like also Pinterest is such a beautiful, a beautiful way to collate ideas and mood boards and give you some ideas. But then I also feel it's quite restrictive for some people as well because they look up brand photography and they see all these like power poses and people holding themselves in a way that doesn't feel natural for them. And I've worked with a couple of clients just recently that they just didn't vibe it. Like the photos that they've got are beautiful and they're beautiful people, but it's not natural for them and they don't want to use those photos because it's not natural for them. So it's so important as you were saying about the brand strategy and what are we using for and how are we feeling and what are we wearing? Because we are all part of the team and we want you to love your graphics and we want you to love your photos. We want you to be proud of it. Because particularly when you're in a, you know, a coaching or your name is your business, or you're in a solopreneur kind of business, that's what you're going to be posting, what you're doing, who you are.

Morgan Macdonald:
Your website's going to have your photo on it. And you can't hide anymore. People want to see your face and see what you're, what you're about and who you are and what makes you tick.

Belle V:
Yeah, 100%. I love that you brought up Pinterest, because I obviously use Pinterest quite a bit, but also really inviting your listeners to look at other forms of art and media and not just restrict yourself to what's going on in Pinterest. And, you know, if you see something in a magazine, like take a photo of it, or if you see some inspiration, you know, in cinema or at the art gallery, like, you can look at other forms and not just. I think sometimes we type in the words brand photography shoot, and then we're very limited with what comes up. And something that I really want to do, because I've come from a different. I've come from documentary, is to really disrupt this genre. How can we bring in some, you know, I, I shoot a lot in black and white as well. Like, I don't see a lot of brand photographers doing that.

Belle V:
And I love to bring that, that black and white element in. I think monochromatic is so cinematic as well. You know, it just brings so much em and invoke so much feeling. But then I'm like, can we bring some slow shutter speed, some movement? Can we also look at. Yeah. Some other ways that we can bring out that personality. I love fashion as well. I think fashion is so cool.

Belle V:
And that's also another element that I'm bringing into my photo shoots for brand. So, yeah, type in some other words. Maybe things like bold, disruptive, fashion, iconic. Like, are there other sort of descriptive words that you can use on Pinterest just to get something that's maybe less about the, you know, the laptop pose or the same things that we see day in, day out and there's no.

Morgan Macdonald:
Right or wrong answer, like what your personal taste is or what you think is working for your brand. Like, if you love it Embrace it and run with it. Like, you've been doing some beautiful shots with, like, light reflecting on people's faces and shapes and. And it's beautiful. And if that works for you and you love it, go for it. There is no right or wrong answer with brand photography.

Belle V:
Yeah, I think. I mean, that's in any creative agency or field, right, Morgan? Like, it's so important to get inspiration across lots and lots of different platforms and mediums and not to get caught up in what other people have done or are doing. And that's something you asked me before about, like, creativity and. And maintaining that energy. And I think that's something that I've struggled with in the past, especially when I was sort of changing genres from, you know, I was doing more. I was doing brand photography, but in a different way. It was like, outside, lots of mud, lots of nudity. It was.

Belle V:
It was quite expressive and very empowerment embodiment sort of photography. And then when I did go more into the studio photographing women in suits or whatever it was with their laptops, I was feeling like, oh, I'm a baby again. I'm just starting. And it was just like I was looking at what other brand photographers were doing and I was like, oh, that's what I have to do then. And then it's only now that I've gone, actually, I can do whatever I want. Like, let's break the rules. Let's bring something else into our photo shoots. Let's bring your personality out.

Belle V:
How can we do that? And I think that's really important is asking. It's. These shoots are not about me and my creativity. It's about how can I bring whatever the client does and what they want to do in this world. How can I bring that out? I remember a client, she has a spicy content offer and I. And when I was talking to her, I was like, oh, like, what emojis do you use? Like, how do you speak online? Like, and then I was like, I notice you use a lot of the chili emoji, right, because it's spicy. I was like, why don't we bring chilies into your brand shoot? And she was just like, what? And so we did a couple of detailed shots with some chilies, and it's just those little things because that's going to set you apart. Like, when someone else looks at your work, they're like, oh, my gosh.

Belle V:
Like, that's so different. And it really then draws your ideal client into you.

Morgan Macdonald:
Oh, I'm exactly the same. I love it. I love Working with so many different styles and colors and shapes and trends and, like, I love it, too. I love the versatility, and I love that each client brings their own set of values and, you know, design likes and vibes and moods to it as well. That's one of my favorite things about what I do. Weird one for you. If you were to shoot anyone ever, dead or alive, who would it be? Your absolute just for fun or inspiration? Could be anyone. Absolutely anyone.

Morgan Macdonald:
Could be famous, could be an entrepreneur, could be anyone.

Belle V:
Okay, so I would love to photograph G Flip. They are just so cool and so chill, and I just love their vibe so much, and I would love to get G Flip into the studio and just photograph them in a really cool, elevated way. So, yeah, probably G Flip. And I think that's it. I'm just like, who else would I love to photograph? Look, I'm so. I feel very grateful with the amazing humans that I have photographed and who come to me, you know, for future shoots and my repeat clients as well. And, you know, it's such a blessing to be able to do what we do. And I did a story on Monday because I literally woke up, and you know how.

Belle V:
I don't know if you've had this experience, Morgan, but when I was working in my corporate job, I would, first thing wake up and I'd be like, oh, it's Monday. I have to go to work. I have to catch the bus, I have to make school lunches, have to do all the things, and then I get to sit in an office for eight hours a day. I actually really enjoyed my job. So don't get me wrong, but it does suck the soul out of you when you're doing that day in, day out. And on Monday, I opened my eyes and I was like, get to go to a photo shoot. And I was so excited. I remember just like, oh, my God, this is so good.

Belle V:
And I was like, how good is this that we get to be creative for, you know, for money? Like, how amazing is it? And we get to help. And, Morgan, I just want to add here, like, my rebrand. I mean, I've sent you that many voice notes crying, because I'm so happy. I've, like, recorded myself looking at the Instagram templates that you sent me. And it's like, when you've been in business for as long as I have, and I've done so many rebrands as it is, but this has been my most potent because it's exactly what I do with my photography. I feel like you Tapped into my future self, who I'm meant to be. The person that doesn't have all of these self doubts and these criticisms and has let, you know, one person, stop me from picking up a camera for five years, I feel like that person doesn't exist. With my new rebrand, the fonts, the logo, the cool way that you've done all of my things, it's like.

Belle V:
And I constantly get messages about it, and the words that they use are my words. Like, oh, my God, this rebrand is, like, lit as, like, all of these. Oh, that's so cool. Like, this is the best. I just want to give you some real props for that because I think you and me are very similar in the fact that we have struggled with, you know, that imposter syndrome or the self doubt. And to know that we are, like, being able to tap into the energy of our clients and give them something that they didn't even expect, it's like, it's the best, isn't it?

Morgan Macdonald:
It's honestly the best. And I'm probably on the other side. You're, you know, bold and beautifully out there and excited, and I'm more quiet and introverted, but that doesn't mean I'm not listening. And I knew that when we worked together how far I could push you. And I tested that, and you've just embraced it and ran with it, and it's just this beautiful collision of the right style, the right colors, the right tone. And you, you're amazing. And your photography is phenomenal. So for anyone that would be wanting to work with you, to really push brand photography, how.

Morgan Macdonald:
How do they go about getting in touch with you? How do they go about working with you?

Belle V:
Oh, my gosh. Love this. So I am based in Perth, Western Australia, so you can hook me up anytime. However, I do travel quite a bit, so I do come to the East Coast. So Melbourne is like my second home now. I love coming to Melbourne. So if I'm already in Melbourne, just like, hit me up. And.

Belle V:
And if you are like, oh, I'm in the Gold coast, or I'm in Tassie or somewhere else in Australia, just get in touch. Because I do do custom quotes and, you know, I might be able to say, like, fly me over, I'll come to Sydney, let's book some shoots out. And yeah, we can do it that way. But yeah, I'm. I'm around. I'm excited. I'm so pumped to work with your listeners.

Morgan Macdonald:
Awesome. And finally, what does being fearless in business mean to you? Fearless. My business, the fearless designer. My name isn't about me being fearless. It's about me doing fearless things every day to try and push myself and grow and be a better designer. So that's what I mean when it's like, fearless is my alter ego. It's. It's not me.

Morgan Macdonald:
I'm not. I'm not fearless every day of every minute of every day. But I just wanted to ask you, what does that look like for you in your business?

Belle V:
So, firstly, I want to say I really understand your brand, like, your brand name now that I've worked with you, because you honestly, having. It's not just a logo. I feel more fearless because I can. My shop front looks great. You know, like, I have got really consistent graphics and colors that make me want to stand out and want to step into that future self that we're talking about. So I love that you've called your agency. This is such a great. And the podcast, of course.

Belle V:
So I feel more fearless. But it's about really trusting ourself. And even though a lot of us have those niggly thoughts or we get the wobbles, it's about going, how can I be of service? How can I make sure that when I get to my deathbed, I'm not going? If only I. If only I had the photo shoot, or if only I quit my 9 to 5 job, or if only we took that amazing holiday to Europe that, you know, I said we couldn't afford, but really we probably could if we'd reigned it in. It's about trusting that every single day, you are going to get, you know, mishaps. There's going to be things that are said about you or you're going to say them about yourself, but it's like, how can we have the courage to just keep going? And, yeah, like, my brand and who I am, like, every day or every week, I'm like, I'm gonna step into courage to show up. Some days I don't want to show up on social media. I'm like, oh, I feel like a smashed crab.

Belle V:
But I do it because I know that that's how I'm gonna be seen. That's how I'm gonna be heard. That's how I'm gonna get my message out there that people can find me. And sometimes I go, no one wants to hear from me. Like, no one wants to, like, you know, hang out. And then I have to go, oh, my God, there's 8 billion people in the world. How can I be so selfish? That if they don't find me, I'm probably the best fit for them right now to be a brand photographer for them. But if they.

Belle V:
If I'm not showing up, they don't find me. And so they go to some other brand photographer who may not be a great fit, who may not rock up on time, who may not be able to give them the best photos that they deserve, and then they're going to feel shit about themselves and go, oh, that was a really bad experience. And, you know, like, whatever it is that, that they stay in. So that's how I sort of look at it. I go, for me to be of service, I need to show up. For me to make impact, I need to be my most confident, most bold, audacious self. And then I feel like I'm helping, if that makes sense.

Morgan Macdonald:
Yes, I love that. And that's just you doing little, tiny, fearless things every day within your business. Because showing up online, you know, I've doing that very poorly recently. But, you know, it's hard when you're of service to people and you're working and then you're like, no, but people need to see me as who I am. So that's my promise to you all, that I'm going to be showing up more and working harder that way. But I just really wanted to thank you for coming on today and chatting about what means a lot to you and the beautiful way that you work. Because from experience, there's not a lot of people out there like you, Bel. So you're amazing.

Morgan Macdonald:
Thank you for joining me. And I just. I can't wait because you're going to be photographing everybody. Everybody. G Flip. Everybody.

Belle V:
Morgan, thank you so, so much for having me on the podcast. I really appreciate everything that you do and everything that you do for me and my brand and my business. Like, honestly, it's amazing and you are incredible. If you're on the fence about booking Morgan, honestly, go and read all the reviews. I think I've left the biggest one ever. I'm like, obsessed with her and what she does. So, yeah, thank you so much.

Morgan Macdonald:
Thanks, Belle. And that's it for today's episode of the Fearless Designer podcast. I hope you're feeling really inspired, fired up, and ready to go make some bold moves with your brand. If you love today's episode, don't forget to hit the subscribe button so that you never miss a dose of fearless branding goodness. And if you're feeling extra generous, generous, drop us a review. It just helps more fearless legends like you find this podcast. If you've got any ideas or questions for future EPS, please slide into my DMs or send me an email. I would love to hear from you.

Morgan Macdonald:
And until next time, keep being bold, keep being fearless, and remember, your brand is your superpower. So go out there and dare to be different. Bye.